Sunday, July 8, 2007

Giuliani Jeered for Opposing Fair Tax

Apparently, some Ron Paul supporters jeered Rudy Giuliani for opposing (or at least refusing to support) a fair tax proposal (which would banish the federal income tax, as well as all corporate taxes, payroll taxes, gifts, and estate taxes [and the IRS] in favor of a national sales tax). Naturally, the national sales tax would be very high--around 25-30% to rationalize the loss in all the other categories of taxation that it replaces (and that's not including the local and state sales taxes on top of that). You must like the Ron Paul supporters here at, who musically equate not paying income and estate taxes to a civil rights era song about fighting for the rights of African Americans. Yes, when I think of comparative allegories to the history of racial oppression in US, the income and estate tax always come to mind.*
*=removing sarcasm hat.


Anonymous said...

Actually, the people doing the jeering at the Giuliani Town Hall meeting were the Fair Tax supporters.

Out of a room of I'd say 500 or so, there were 12 Ron Paul supporters. Half of which were in the parking lot at the time that the jeering went on.

I'd guess that there were probably 30 to 40 Fair Tax supporters in the room. I'm not sure who they are endorsing right now, if anyone. But they were not there with the RP people.

Besides, why would the Ron Paul supporters jeer Giuliani's lack of support for the Fair Tax?

Ron Paul supporters don't care for the Fair Tax. They favor no Income tax. They don't want the current system replaced with another. They want to get rid of it entirely.

That's an interesting take on the Richie Havens song though. Here I've always thought that Richie was singing about freedom for all people.

But know that I know that it was only meant for African Americans, I'll stop listening to it.

Motherless Child (Freedom) - Words by Richie Havens

Sometimes I feel like a motherless child
A long way from my home
Sometimes I feel like I'm almost gone
A long, long, long, way, way from my home

Clap your hands

I got a telephone in my bosom
And I can call him up from my heart
When I need my brother…brother
When I need my mother…mother

TA said...

Anonymous, there were more than a dozen Ron Paul supporters. I've talked to some Paul supporters who claimed there were around 20-25 at that event, and that they were involved in the festivities (including passing out fliers). As for the motivation for the Paul supporters to follow around America's Mayor to these events, from the ones I've chatted with, and I know quite a few, they seem to hold a real animus towards Giuliani, especially since the May 15 debate. I can't say that I agree with their attitude (although RP backers are by far the most dedicated I've seen in the Republican field thus far), but then I'm of the view that the average politician is an unconvicted felon.

As for the fair tax issue, Paul may not be a co-sponsor, but he's made it clear that the fair tax is preferable and acceptable to the extent that it is a first step which leads to the abolition of the 16th Amendment (the legal enabler that permits a future re-institution of a federal income tax) and permanently cutting federal spending.

It would seem that if Paul opposed or cared less about the issue, he wouldn't bother writing about it. This is also an issue I've discussed with a couple of Paul supporters, and they've made it clear that they support it, as well (again, primarily as a first step to even more drastic rollbacks of spending and eventually the consumption tax that would replace it). Maybe some of the fair tax folk don't like to mingle, or care more about staying "non-partisan," but they have much more in common than with the Giuliani folk (at least on the tax issue).

As for the song Freedom, it was written by an African American civil rights campaigner and folk singer, Richie Havens. Havens has stated that the song is about the civil rights struggle and problems that the US was encountering in the '60s (the assassinations of prominent political figures, the Vietnam War, the urban uprisings and racism), which is why it was included at Woodstock and is considered one of the staple songs of the civil rights movement--this was the point I was trying to elucidate, but hey we all like to ascribe songs to our own beliefs (President Reagan ran into this phenomenon when he attempted to adopt Springsteen's Born in the USA back in '84), so it's hardly anything new. Just ask those Journey fans of the 2005 Houston Astros.